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ScarletBegonias
12-06-2012, 02:41 AM
I haven't been on in a long time but I needed to talk to you guys. We came home from work and Cosco was being weird, walking all stiff in his front legs. After watching him for a minute he began to be wobbly and drop his back left leg. By the time we made it to the e-vet he was in serious pain, all wide eyed and panting and with his neck straight up in the air. The e-vet did x-rays which not too surprisingly didn't really show anything. I'm supposed to pick him up in the morning at 6 and take him to my "regular vet." Something we don't really have since the move, I mean we have a place we plan to take him but we haven't been for anything other than to get heartworm meds yet and it makes me nervous since I don't really know any of the vets there or anything. I've been reading up on crate rest and such but I'll gladly take any more suggestions and rayz of course are much needed. :crossfin:

Alex's Mom
12-06-2012, 06:13 AM
Tons and tons of :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: coming at you guys. Lots of good advice on here, but the very first suggestion is to find a vet who knows something about disc issues, and dachshunds. Mama, do you know anyone in your neck of the woods?? Anxiously waiting for an update!! :hug99::hug99:

oceangirls
12-06-2012, 09:21 AM
Go to dodgerslist.com and read the general info, just to understand what might be happening if it is IVDD. It will tell you the warning signs that would require immediate medical attention. Then like Paula said, I'd check with people in your area to find a neurosurgeon just in case... if Sandi does not know of one, you might check with a local dachshund rescue.

As far as your local vet, I think you'll be able to tell if they have any clue what they're talking about. Any doxie with Cosco's symptoms should ALWAYS be assumed to have IVDD until proven otherwise, in my opinion - so they should recommend confinement and pain meds (antiinflammatories, and usually another pain pill like tramadol), usually with a stomach protecting med like Pepcid (famotidine) or Sucralfate.

The first vet I saw for Angel (it was a Saturday) - I don't think had a clue about doxies. The vet I like had much more experience with it and supported crating, etc.

Rayz! :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz:

lotsadox
12-06-2012, 09:26 AM
I agree with everything Kim said. If your vet isn't recommending some type of confinement and meds for him, confine him anyway and look for another vet. Hopefully, Sandi can recommend someone for you. In the past, I've kept mine on crate rest/confinement for longer than the vet recommended. Go with your gut. Please keep us posted.

Sending :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz:

LexieLuvr
12-06-2012, 09:28 AM
Oh, no! Kim is right on - Dodgerslist.com should give you tons of great info and might even be able to recommend a specialist. Crate rest is #1! Many many :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz:

Lisa
12-06-2012, 10:16 AM
Crate rest and drugs, crate rest and drugs, crate rest and drugs. And time, lots and lots of time. Just when you think you've given him enough crate rest, go for an extra two weeks.

The drugs Kim suggested are what we did with Pixel.

Don't forget the disc needs to heal and then it needs time to calcify so you don't have another episode. EIGHT weeks minimum. Just get the number in your head now it will make life easier. Not much but a bit.

And earplugs and kongs...you can't get through this without them. Frozen with PB works best (the kongs, not the earplugs).

We are here to help you and Cosco through this. :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz:

LexieLuvr
12-06-2012, 05:16 PM
Lisa is SO right! MANY vets only say to crate a week or two; that is NOT NEARLY enough!!! Six to eight weeks is minimum, in my experience - better too long than not long enough. They regain their mobility and muscle mass quickly so don't worry about that issue. I would never do less than 8 weeks. Unless your vet HAS dacshunds and/or is familiar with IVDD, they just really don't know. You'd think they'd know that it takes a LOT of time for a back to heal, but the vast majority do not. A neurologist is really the best option, if you have one in your area and can afford it. Most vets in my area won't touch spinal surgery; they refer most dogs needing it to a surgery center (north of Dallas, I believe) which specializes in things like that. Luckily, when my Jack went down, I had access to a great surgeon in Austin (used by my rescue group) and she did a wonderful job! She's known nation-wide, from what I've heard. I'd use her again in a heartbeat if I had a dog needing spinal surgery. She's worth her weight in gold! Keep us posted - and good luck! :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz:

ScarletBegonias
12-06-2012, 09:37 PM
So after leaving the e-vet we went to the vet where we had gotten his heart worm pills were told very bluntly that he needed surgery or he would never walk again and that basically if we couldn't afford surgery we should just give up because "those wheelchairs aren't all their cracked up to be."
Needless to say we left. We drove a town over to the vet that One L used with Chuck and they were much nicer. The vet did say that his case was very severe and he would recommend surgery if we could afford it. Which we cannot. It is so hard to say, and I feel terrible about it but there's simply no way we can afford that. This vet was more understanding and said that though his case is severe, he has seen dogs recover from worse. Being realistic he also said he has seen many who do not. To complicate matters further he is apparently much older than we thought, not 5 or so like we figured but more like 7 or possibly as old at 8 or 9. And there is concern that the disc may be cutting off nerves to his bladder.
At the vet today he got some steroids and pain meds and one round of laser therapy and acupuncture and I picked him up at 5. He is drinking water but not eating much and has not peed or pooped since I've had him back. I have taken him out twice and made a modified sling out of an old scarf. He is staying very still which I suppose is good and I've got him in the x-pen so the little one doesn't bother him. He whimpers from time to time and I've got the xpen at the foot of the couch so I can pet him when he does. He is still keeping his front legs very stiff and his head very high.
The vet seems to not want to talk much about conservative therapy. Not sure if he is trying to keep me from getting my hopes up too much or what. He kept saying that if there wasn't some improvement in the first few days, that crate rest and steroids for another 8 weeks probably wouldn't help. Is that true in your experience? I'm sure I'll try either way but I don't know what to expect.
He does have deep pain sensation in his hind legs and his tail still wags a little tiny bit but he doesn't put any weight on his hind legs and when he vet set him down he wouldn't put his pads to the ground, I forget what he called it but its one of the tests of what level of awareness they have.

Lisa
12-06-2012, 10:16 PM
That is NOT TRUE!! Pixel was bad...really bad. He could not move his one leg at all and was in a LOT of pain. He fully recovered. Your #1 priority right now is to minimize pain. That is it!!!! The future is what the future is. Don't focus on that. And 7 - 9 is not old. Again, Pixel is 9 and 100% walking. Do not beat yourself up over Cosco going down. Focus on the now and his pain. Do not push him at all. What you are describing sounds more like neck pain, and that is the most painful form of IVDD. He might need 2 days of muscle relaxers (like Robaxacat) ask the vet for 3 days of pills. So he will be on steriod (give him pepcid 1/2 pill 1/2 hour before steroid), tramadol (for a few weeks) and muscle relaxers (just for a few days). It took Pixel 8 weeks before he started walking and 12 before he was perfect. The laser works wonders I hear, so please if you can, keep up with those appointments.

Drinking is important, if it is his neck, maybe try a soft food, so he doesn't have to work at chewing...it could be adding to his pain. Keep the x-pen as small as possible. I know you want to see him move around, but he can't right now. You want him as restricted as possible. Basically, you are casting his back although it can't be physically done, it has to be external.

If after 3 months he isn't walking THEN you can look at carts etc. And there are no words for how much that first vet pissed me off. Lots of dogs live happy healthy lives in carts!!!! But we are not there...so don't even start focusing on that. Again, it is all about managing his pain.

1) Pain Management and reducing swelling of the spinal cord
2) Calcification of the disc
3) Recovery - physical therapy

Hang in there!! :hug99: :hug99: :hug99:

Lots of rayz for Cosco :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz: :bigrayz:

Frankie'sMom
12-06-2012, 10:47 PM
Sending lots and lots of rayz for Cosco. :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: The help and support you will get here is worth it's weight in gold. It was a huge help for me. :hug99::hug99::hug99:

stampendoxie
12-06-2012, 11:13 PM
Many :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: for Cosco and :hug99: for you! Cosco is not old even if he is 8 or 9. Two of my last doxies lived to be 17. Surgery does not mean healing for sure any more than conservative care.

SasatheRusty
12-07-2012, 12:29 AM
My Penny had a terrible back/neck problem. She had adequan shots was on Prednisone, tramadol, duralactin which is a non RX product and Valium. She did take dome metacarbanol for a short time but it was too much sedation so we decreased it and then stopped it. It took months but she recovered. As she was improving we titrated the prednisone and gradually reduced the other meds. I did not crate her as she liked being under the dining room table and the crate added to her anxiety. I went to a carpet store and bough remnants of carpet runners as we have time and it made it easier for her. When we took her outside to per or doody we would have to stand her up. She was in terrible Odin and it broke our hearts. I used pee pads and had water in different areas so her do she did not have to walk far go drink. My house was like an ALF for dogs. Now three years later you would never see a physical deficit. So miracles do happen. I cried but those tears turned into tests of joy. Please pm me if you have further questions. Also Pepcid 1/2 a day if they are on prednisone. At night we put her next to the bed on the floor do I could reach down and comfort her. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/07/duqygy9y.jpg

RustysMom
12-07-2012, 08:36 AM
sending many many :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: for Cosco!!! I havent had to experience the full blown affects of this, yet! Listen to what everyone is telling you!!! dont give up on him. He can still live a good quality of life even if it is in a cart.:hug99:

LexieLuvr
12-07-2012, 09:23 AM
I'd like to strangle BOTH vets! Such negativity is awful - and so untrue!! Please check with dodgerslist.com, also; they have great ideas and terrific support. There are a number of organizations that will give grants for those who need vet care and can't afford it - start searching on the internet and I think you will be amazed at the help out there. AND DO NOT GIVE UP!! Crate rest (a MINIMUM of 8 weeks), along with meds and patience, can restore your Cosco to at least 90% again! Many, many get-well :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: and a big :hug99: for you! (Re-read all those great posts above me - they are 100% right!!!):appl: He is definitely not old, either!! :wtf2: I'm really mad at both of those vets right now.

lotsadox
12-07-2012, 09:28 AM
I totally agree with Lisa. It is NOT true that you may as well give up unless you have surgery on him. And 7 is not old. All three of mine that had back problems were older than that. Bandit was 13 when she was completely down and recovered without surgery. Bogart was 15 and he also recovered. And don't believe that if a few days doesn't work more time won't. THAT IS NOT TRUE EITHER. Bogart was on 10 weeks of crate rest, but he recovered totally. He was 15 years old and could RUN after his back problems. The e-vet told me that he would probably not recover after seeing him twice. My vet was not so sure and we worked with him with pred and crate rest. It took a lot of time, but he totally recovered.

I agree with Lisa also that the only thing to be concerned about now is managing pain. Managing his pain and keeping his quiet so he can heal. The way I look at it is if you manage the pain, what do you have to lose by keeping him on crate rest and meds for a few weeks to see if he recovers. Many dogs just on this board have recovered with crate rest and meds.

Also, I"ve known several people who had cart dogs that lived long and happy lives. Some do not have bladder and bowel control and have to be diapered, but that doesn't mean they aren't happy.

Please try the meds and crate rest and give Cosco a chance. I know it's very hard and very stressful, but it's Cosco we're talking about. Give him a chance at life.

Ivan
12-07-2012, 11:19 AM
I concur with Lisa and others here with lotsa personal experience who know that conservative treatment works wonders, too, esp. if he's not paralyzed. Cosco still has motor control (yay!) and deep pain sensation (yay!) which is very good. This again points to confinement as a great choice, instead of surgery.

I agree that most important is to reduce the swelling, so that the body can heal. Swelling is bad, it cuts oxygen & causes pain. So drugs are also for pain management (same as in humans). Confinement is like bed rest, to let it heal w/o reinjury. Dodgerslist.com is full of successful cases achieved simply with 2 months of 24/7 crate confinement, except (maybe?) to potty. (Aside: washable crib liners from Walmart are handy.) Besides, the same 24/7 confinement for months is still needed after surgery anyway. Surgery causes its own trauma, from cutting, and can sometimes make it worse (no guarantees). Non-surgical treatment also works well for IVDD in humans too (eg, me, earlier this year). Seems to me that your vet is trying to get you to buy himself a costly xmas bonus? Grrr. And we discovered our usual vets had very little IVDD experience, so they couldn't help Buddy, except offer Prednisone.

Some IVDD background reading is here http://www.dachshund-dca.org/discbook.html

Sending lotsa healthy back rayz :bigrayz::bigrayz: for Cosco. He'll be running around again pain-free in 3 months time, you'll see. Cosco (7 yo) is still an exuberant young dog with a long life ahead. He'll get over this hurdle. You too.

LexieLuvr
12-07-2012, 12:32 PM
AND I've heard/read about dogs who were paralyzed for many, many months, with little hope of EVER walking, who regained mobility again. There are LOTS of positive stories out there about conservative treatment and how well it works. Jack was good for a year with meds, crate rest, acupuncture, and VOM the first time he went down. It can be VERY successful, particularly since he has deep pain and motor control. (When my traditional vet examined Jack right after he went down and saw that he had deep pain and some motor control, she referred me to my awesome holistic vet right away. And she helped him recover 100%.) If you can, do try acupuncture, VOM, and laser therapy in conjunction with meds and crate rest. They DO work!!:bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: (In fact, my CCD girl has improved immensely with laser therapy, VOM, and supplements!)

Tex
12-07-2012, 01:26 PM
Sorry I'm late to the conversation here, but as a veteran of doxie back surgeries, I TOTALLY agree with what's been said. Each dog is different. Each dog will have slightly different symptoms, & will respond differently to various treatments. Pain management is key right now. Hang in there, & keep us posted. So many of us have been right where you are, & you CAN get through it :hug:

ScarletBegonias
12-07-2012, 02:00 PM
Thanks so much guys. I am going to give him as long as it takes and I fully believe he has a chance to recover, and with the second vet suggesting the laser and acupuncture I feel more comfortable that he is willing to work with me. Its just so hard to stay positive when the people who "should" know what they are doing seem so negative. :hug99: That's why you guys are always so good to talk to.

I'm getting him some pepcid today, he is on prednisone and tramadol. I think that seems to be doing a good job of managing his pain but he isn't on a muscle relaxer right now. I may ask the vet if they think that would help. It's pretty easy to tell when the tramadol starts wearing off, he starts shaking and gets wide eyed so if I notice that twice a day on the tramadol is not enough it shouldn't be too hard to get the vet to give me more/different meds.

As far as the level of movement that is ideal I'm still not sure since the vet didn't really instruct me on that. I've checked dodgerslist and seen a couple different versions. Right now I have him in the x-pen on a fleece blanket doubled over several times. I have it scaled down to just big enough to turn around, lay out on his side (which is how he seems most comfortable) and hold a small bowl of food and water. I have a smaller crate that is a converted rabbit pen that I could put him in instead that would come closer to forcing him to lay in one way only. In that crate I could roll up the towels and try to keep him on his belly, if that is the ideal position, though I'm not sure if that is what is most comfortable for him.

Also on this note, how often is ok to move him? Right now I "fix" his position every so often when I notice his legs are tangled up under him or if he has rolled on top of his blanket. I've had to move him a few times to clean diarrhea and I took him out to attempt to pee two or three times yesterday. Today I manually expressed his bladder so I suppose I could put a pad down and do that without moving him if that is preferable. As it is right now he really isn't moving around at all, occasionally dragging himself up on his front legs to check something out, or turning himself over to his other side or to get a drink of water. If even that amount of movement should be discouraged maybe he would be better in the small crate.

He does seem to not enjoy chewing. He is already on tiny bite food because he is a wuss about chewing larger sized kibble so I might get him some soft food. I'm just worried about that making the diarrhea worse. Maybe I'll alternate. He does still have an appetite though I had some cheese toast this morning for breakfast and he gobbled down a bite and he has taken his pill pockets of pills very eagerly.

I know right now I should mostly be concerned about keeping him still and managing pain but is there anything in the way of supplements, massage, other at home techniques, etc that I should be starting now. I know we are a long way off from physical therapy but if there are other things you have had success with I'd love to know.

Sorry to be so long winded. Thanks again guys, your stories all make me feel like we will get through this and that's what I really need right now. Luckily, our move came with being closer to family and friends and a job for Robbie where he is home everyday and me working with my family so even though money is more tight, we can be home with him more often than we would have in Athens. The first thing we did after we bought the new house was a build a super-puppy-proof fence around the backyard so they would have a yard for the first time, I just can't wait to see Cosco running around it again. :crossfin:

Lisa
12-07-2012, 02:16 PM
Some space to move so he is comfortable is fine. You don not want him walking anywhere. The goal is to try to keep the disc as still as possible to prevent additional leaking. The set-up you have going on now sounds perfect!!

Keep expressing his bladder every few hours. You do not want an additional infection kicking in.

YOU ARE DOING GREAT!! :hug99: :hug99: :hug99: You are an awesome Doxie Mommy and you will get through this. Just PM me if you need anything.

The Pepcid will help with the liquid poop.

We had to give tramadol every 8 hours for Pixel.

And I really recommend trying a canned food so he doesn't have to work his neck muscles hard. Kind of like eating Jello when you are sick :)

alfina
12-07-2012, 02:20 PM
Sorry you are going through this. I hope he recovers. Do you have his food and water dish elevated? That would help eliminate some strain on the neck.

lotsadox
12-07-2012, 02:36 PM
I agree with Lisa. It's sounds like your set up for him is perfect and if he's content there, that's an added bonus!

As far as the food goes, you could soak the kibble in some water or chicken broth (no salt) to make it easier to eat. This might be better than changing food and risking a tummy upset from that, too.

With Bogart he was in the crate (or stroller) 24/7 except to go out to potty. I usually took him out about 4 or 5 times a day. He seemed to have a 6 hour bladder at that point. I would take him out when we got up in the morning, when I came home at lunch, when I got home from work, and before bed. He would often wake me during the night to need to go out also. I didn't much move him when he was in the crate. I let him however it was comfortable for him. He didn't much want to move the first week or so which was great. Once he was getting up and around I kept his harness on him all the time and leashed him to go out so he couldn't try to run. When the prednisone kicked in, he thought he was super dog and wanted to run around but I still kept him from doing so.

Try to have patience. As I remember is was a couple weeks before Bogart could get up and around. Healing takes time. I'm so glad that you've found a vet that will work with you. I've heard great things about the laser treatments. I didn't do acupuncture, but my vet used VOM (Veterinary Orthopedic Manipulation in other words chiro) on him and it helped him a lot.

I'd would discuss with your vet anything that you can do at home. At this point, I doubt there is much other than keeping him quiet and letting him heal.

Alex's Mom
12-07-2012, 03:29 PM
Sounds like you're on the right track with the poor boy. Tons more :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: and :hug99::hug99::hug99: coming at ya!! ITA with everything that's been said...you do want him able to move around enough to get himself comfortable...he knows best when he's not hurting as much, so like Lisa said, the set-up you've got sounds perfect! Maybe later, when he's feeling better and wants to be with you at all times (been there :rolleyes: ) the crate might be better so you can take him from room to room with you.

As an expert in digestive issues :sosad: I'd strongly suggest 2 things...get some Progut http://www.vetdepot.com/progut-oral-paste-24-ml-syringe.html if you can find it, and maybe put him on Hill's i/d for a few days. It's for digestive issues and works. You might also try a/d, which has a consistency like cat food (i.e., mushy) but is pretty rich and has a very high water content and may add to the squirts problem. However, he'd be able to eat it ok. You might also boil up some chicken and rice and put it in the food processor and give him that for a few days until his bowels have sorted themselves out. If you have lots of liquid in his food then he won't need to drink as much, if it's hurting him.

Hang in there! It'll be fine...just takes a long time. Costco is lucky to have you!

Ivan
12-07-2012, 03:50 PM
Ah yes, super-dog (on pred). Beware his misguided thoughts on that.

What you're doing is good. Room to turn around is optional. We used this mobile crate, shown here http://doxielovers.com/dlc/showthread.php?t=34133

We expressed Buddy's bladder every few hours. Indoors was easier. Less spinal movement too. At first, it all just happened inside the crate, which was ok with washable crib liners. After a while, once he could stand, we stood him on a super-sized cookie tray (2' x 3') on kitchen floor to catch any spill. Eventually we could express him outdoors, and later he could do it himself, while on a sling.

Can you borrow a pet stroller? It may save your sanity & Cosco might be happier & calmer if he's always by your side. We built a handy little indoor ramp for wheeling him in/out of our sunken family room. Both our indoor & outdoor ramps see daily use, even today.

LexieLuvr
12-07-2012, 04:10 PM
Sounds like you're doing great! You might try pumpkin for the runs. Other than that, I believe you've got everything pretty well under control. Hang in there - it will just take time and patience.:hug99::hug99::hug99::bigrayz::bigrayz::b igrayz::bigrayz: Vet #2 sounds like he might be able to give you the treatments needed; don't let him (or anyone else) discourage you!!! (I kept Jack in a rather small wire crate; he had very little room to move, and kept himself pretty still anyway. We wired his crate to a dolly and pulled him into whatever room I was in so he never got lonely. Luckily (for Jack) I wasn't working at the time so I could stay at home and take care of him. We got into a routine, and it worked out quite well.)

ScarletBegonias
12-07-2012, 11:00 PM
not much new to report since this afternoon but I did do the warm rice in a sock thing cause poor Cosco man was shaking when I got home from work. He looked at me like it was the most amazing thing he'd ever felt and almost immediately snuggled down and went to sleep. So glad I could find something to put him at ease. Anyone know if the tramadol is a specific dose or can be used more as needed? The vet said 2X a day one in the morning and one in the evening but I worry about that evening one getting him through the night comfortably. I was thinking about one morning, one mid-day, one evening, I'm already giving only half and I maybe I could do 3'rds. I'll ask the vet tomorrow.

ScarletBegonias
12-10-2012, 01:21 AM
Nothing new to report really. Still no pooping. He is going to the vet in the morning so I imagine they will have to give him something stronger, we have given a bit of mineral oil and wet food and I've skipped the pepcid today in case that was stopping him up but no poop since the diarrhea the first two days. We moved him into the bedroom last night so he could sleep next to us and we wouldn't have to be on the couch but he hated it, whimpered all night, not sure why other than it made him want to be up on the bed with us even more. Tonight I am back on the couch and Robbie is in the bed with the same stomach virus I had last week. I wish that I could report some change in his hind end but still nothing. I can tell he feel it when I brush him with a metal flea comb but anything softer than that provokes no response. He has no movement still and feet are still knuckled when I take him out in his sling to pee, though he does seem happy to be out of his crate for a minute and wants to drag me all over the yard if I would let him, though by the time we get back in he is shakey from exertion and pain after just a few minutes up and about. Most times I just express his bladder on a pee pad in his pen, it is easier and he doesn't have to move. I am nearly getting the aim down so that everything in a 5 mile radius does not get peed on when I do so.
Vet tomorrow morning, wish us luck. Another round of acupuncture so hopefully that will ease some of his pains.
Then back to work. Mon and Tues should be fine, I only work half days and opposite shifts from Robbie so someone should be here with him most of the day but Wed thru the weekend gets more complicated when we both go to work at 3 pm and work 8 hours or more and Friday I am typically at work from 9 am to 9 pm. Luckily I am close so hopefully I can make small breaks a few times to check on him or ask my mom, as non-dog person as she is just to come over and make sure he hasnt got his legs all tangled up under him or spilled his water every where or something like that.

Alex's Mom
12-10-2012, 05:28 AM
It does take a couple of days sometimes for normal poops after a good bout of diarrhea. They empty themselves out completely, and it can take a while for his food to start moving through again. Tramadol can also cause constipation. I wouldn't stop the pepcid though...it's protecting his tummy not just from diarrhea but also from an overproduction of acid brought on by stress. I'm not surprized you haven't seen any improvement yet...it takes a while! As long as he has sensation at some level, it's good. It's a long road, and it may take a couple of weeks before you see definite signs of improvement. And you will!!! More :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: and just as many :hug99::hug99::hug99:.

lotsadox
12-10-2012, 08:12 AM
I agree with Paula. Don't stop the Pepcid. As I remember he's taking prednisone. Prednisone is very hard on their stomach and they need the Pepcid to protect it.

It's a long slow process so don't expect to see much change this soon. It will take a while. When I had to crate Bogart who had never been crated in his life, I put the crate next to the bed and slept with my hand hanging down by the crate. That (and the Squirt Bottle of Doom) seemed to help him sleep better.

LexieLuvr
12-10-2012, 09:51 AM
ITA with the above - don't stop the Pepcid! And be patient. Spinal injuries take a LONG time to heal!!! :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz:

Lisa
12-10-2012, 10:34 AM
Don't stop the pepcid. I was just speaking my vet this weekend about a Shitzu who's tummy was blown apart because they didn't follow proper vet procedures (although the dog was on a very high dosage of steroids, so I don't want to freak you out) and it could not be saved. :sosad:

1/2 pepcid, 1/2 hour before steroids.

oceangirls
12-10-2012, 02:22 PM
Just FYI... Pepcid should not really cause *OR* help either diarrhea *OR* constipation. It prevents stomach acid secretion, so it's used for (1) preventing heartburn/reflux, (2) treatment of stomach and intestinal ulcers, and (3) possibly prevention of ulcers. Diarrhea or constipation could be a side effect (those are pretty standard side effects for any meds), but the incidence is quite low for both, at least in humans :).

ScarletBegonias
12-10-2012, 06:11 PM
Just got Cosco back from the vet today. He finally pooped this morning before we took him so thats all good. The vet said he did very well, that he checked all his reflexes/responses etc and that there was improvement from Thursday!:cheer3: Its not really anything noticeable to the untrained eye I guess but from his perspective there is improvement in balance, stability etc.

He is certainly more lively today, I can hardly get him to settle down since we got back, but my father is here and there is food so its no wonder.
Since he is starting to feel well enough to get bored I was wondering what types of entertainment is appropriate. I'll try the kong but I've gotten them for him before and he had zero interest in them, stuffed, frozen, full of treats or otherwise. I have a few of his soft squeekies in there but he hasn't really seemed interested in them. I'm worried a bone might be too exciting, get him all riled up and cause him to over work his neck and back trying to get at it.

It was so good to hear some good news today even if it was small. We go back to the vet Thursday for another round of laser and acupuncture and another check up. I want to keep doing those as long as possible but my wallet sure could stand a week off next week, or at least just once a week. I'm thinking about starting one of those online fundraiser thingys. Its not necessarily life threatening like some and I feel bad asking people for money when we aren't like out on the street but I really want him to get the best care possible and at close to $100 per visit the treatments are going to get tough quickly. Do any of you have experience with those sites?

Medicine wise we are back on the pepcid today, got the go ahead to increase tramadol if needed and today started the tapering off of the prednisone.

SasatheRusty
12-10-2012, 10:54 PM
Try going off the expensive treatments and see how he does. You might want to try your own message and warm baths. Let us know how he does.

LexieLuvr
12-11-2012, 09:41 AM
Explain to your vet that you don't have limitless funds and ask him/her to do only the treatments that he/she thinks will provide the most improvement. Hooray for the vet seeing some improvement!!! More recovery :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: And don't blame yourself for the back episode - no matter how careful you are and what great quality of bloodline they come from, sometimes it just happens. My Jack was/is the most active, strong, muscular, bouncy guy and I never DREAMED he'd have back problems -- but he had a ruptured disk requiring surgery a couple of years ago and is now back to 100%. I wish he'd slow down a little, but he shows no signs of doing that. I do all I can to keep him healthy, of course, but sometimes it just happens. Occasionally it happens twice or more times, unfortunately. Just do the best you can, that's all you can do.

Ivan
12-11-2012, 11:33 AM
Fwiw, our furboy didn't want entertainment during his convalescence. This surprised me. He just lay there quietly, all that time. Well, as long as he was beside us, in his stroller. Does that make us his TV?

http://www.12many.com/duchwood/backproblems.html

lotsadox
12-11-2012, 01:01 PM
And don't blame yourself for the back episode - no matter how careful you are and what great quality of bloodline they come from, sometimes it just happens. My Jack was/is the most active, strong, muscular, bouncy guy and I never DREAMED he'd have back problems -- but he had a ruptured disk requiring surgery a couple of years ago and is now back to 100%. I wish he'd slow down a little, but he shows no signs of doing that. I do all I can to keep him healthy, of course, but sometimes it just happens. Occasionally it happens twice or more times, unfortunately. Just do the best you can, that's all you can do.

I believe this completely. Pebbles was always overweight and not very active and never had a problem. Bandit who was never overweight and very active and fit had problems in her old age as did Bogart. I don't think there is any way to know and I also don't think there is a way to totally prevent it. Just like people things just happen and it's no one's fault.

Alex's Mom
12-11-2012, 04:08 PM
Explain to your vet that you don't have limitless funds and ask him/her to do only the treatments that he/she thinks will provide the most improvement. Hooray for the vet seeing some improvement!!! More recovery :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz:

ITA...vets understand, and are pretty good (most of them) at working out a plan that will give as much benefit as you can afford. Or maybe might work out a payment plan for you. Also there's a variety of credit options you can get.

And don't blame yourself. An old vet I had a lot of respect for (think James Herriot) once told me that from his 60 years of observation, it seemed that the "loosey goosey" type of dogs who can turn themselves inside out, and sit up, and are really flexible seemed to be more prone to disc issues. I have to say that Maxe was like that, and she had a number of back episodes from the time she was 6 (all treated with crate rest and steroids) and she lived to be 15. Alex, on the other hand, had to have me skritch her ears cuz she wasn't flexible enough to reach her head with her back leg :rolleyes:. She had bone spurs on her spine, but never a disc issue. So I don't know, but my very limited experience seems to bear this out. I do believe it's a genetic thing though...some are more prone than others.

And I just bet that when you start weening him off the prednisone, he's not going to be feeling quite so starry... :). (Unless it isn't actually a back issue but a pulled muscle...sometimes they can mimic each other.)

More :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: and :hug99::hug99::hug99:. SO glad that you got a good report!

Rae
12-11-2012, 05:56 PM
Glad to hear a good report. Duchie was Wonderdoggie and thought she could jump over the house on pred. Beware!

You're obviously on top of his care and it's easy to see that you love him very much.

I'm so glad you went to the second vet. Duchie was my first Doxie and I know all too well the comfort that this group can provide. They KNOW. Nobody here is a vet or pretends to be, but so many have been Doxie parents for many years and have had numerous dox...
There's no substitute for experience. And the love and camaraderie that you find here.

SasatheRusty
12-11-2012, 06:25 PM
Rae, I could not have said it better. We have all experienced collective catastrophes and in our sharing of information want to heal every dog.

Rae
12-11-2012, 06:57 PM
That's the great thing about the collective experience here. SOMEbody has had the same issues.

LexieLuvr
12-12-2012, 09:28 AM
That's the great thing about the collective experience here. SOMEbody has had the same issues.
How right you are! And the support is priceless. :cheer3::cheer3::cheer3: