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Lisa
12-22-2010, 05:07 PM
Sorry, I have never been though this.

Pixel goes from good to bad to good to bad. Is this up and down normal?

I know he needs crate rest for 8 weeks and all dogs are different, but how long until I see a big improvement (ie., the wobbly walk stops?).

It is sad to watch him. He comes out of his crate strong and I am not sure if the sling is adding to him walking funny? I am doing everything we are supposed to but truth be told, I am so friggin' scared.

Second question, if you opt to go steroid and crate rest, when should you look into laser therapy or acupuncture?

areese
12-22-2010, 05:17 PM
I have noticed people talking about good-bab..bad-good on dodger's. I'm not sure what you mean by it...if it's function or pain. if he is having pain, that would need to be dealt with. Some dogs need a muscle relaxant in addition to steroids..is he still on the tramadol? some need all three.
I THINK people on there get accupuncture before the 8 weeks are up but I'm not sure. Do you want me to get on there and ask for you?

AgileOllie
12-22-2010, 05:17 PM
I wish I had answers for you. All I have are :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: and :hug99::hug99:

Lisa
12-22-2010, 05:48 PM
I have noticed people talking about good-bab..bad-good on dodger's. I'm not sure what you mean by it...if it's function or pain. if he is having pain, that would need to be dealt with. Some dogs need a muscle relaxant in addition to steroids..is he still on the tramadol? some need all three.
I THINK people on there get accupuncture before the 8 weeks are up but I'm not sure. Do you want me to get on there and ask for you?

If you are already a member that would be great if you can ask about the laser or acupuncture, when we should start it. Obviously I don't want him out of the crate and in a car for 1 + hours.

I can't really explain it. Maybe it is me, he seems to do better for Rafi then for me. I might be holding the sling wrong. I wouldn't say he is in pain. I think the gap between 5:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. with the Tramodol is too long, so I will be happy when I am off work starting Friday and can break up his pain meds a little better.

He just seems more wobbly today. He can still stand and passes the toe test, but I don't know. The vet has authorized Tramadol for the full 8 weeks. Just we are supposed to go to Pred 1 x per day tomorrow, which has me a little worried. I spoke to the vet today, and he told me if he seems to worsen, go back to the 2 x per day over the holiday's and we will re-evaluate on Tuesday.

Sigh!

lotsadox
12-22-2010, 06:13 PM
I was letting Bogart walk so little that I don't really remember him being better and worse. I do remember it was a long time before he really seemed to improve and I got less scared. Like maybe a few weeks.

I didn't do the laser, but we did VOM (chiro) with Bogart right away and it did seem to help him.

I had problems with Bogart weaning him off the Pred. You'll know immediately if you need to go back up to 2x day. We ended up doing it much more gradually with Bogart. I had to split the pills to do it which was a pain, but it worked in the end. :thumbsup:

Lisa
12-22-2010, 06:23 PM
Rafi came home and let Pixel out again, and he is definitely better for him. So I started crying.....again. Rafi is a better Mom then me. :sosad:

I am glad that Rafi is off until January 3rd with me. We a) get to suffer together through Pixel's vocal outburst and b) he can get Pixel in and out of his crate better then me.

Thanks Patrice. I know all dogs are different and it depends on individual cases, but it would just be easier if I had a timeline.

lotsadox
12-22-2010, 06:35 PM
It's really stressful, Lisa. At least Rafi is good with him. Jim tries hard, but really isn't that good with the dogs when they are sick so I had to do it all. I was so stressed out at one point that I was actually losing a lot of hair :shocked: I think I cried about every other day for a while there. Hang in there. You can do this. :hug99::hug99::hug99:

BeauBuddy
12-22-2010, 06:37 PM
When Beau had the wobbly back end, the vet said to do the accupuncture and laser treatment the sooner the better, because it aids in healing. Pixel shouldn't need to be out of the crate for the car ride because he can ride there in the crate.

Remember that the disc is oozing material onto the spinal cord so it is possible that you might check him in the morning one day and the back end could be paralyzed. He is still in the process of healing and not healed. One day at a time.

LexieLuvr
12-22-2010, 07:14 PM
When Beau had the wobbly back end, the vet said to do the accupuncture and laser treatment the sooner the better, because it aids in healing. Pixel shouldn't need to be out of the crate for the car ride because he can ride there in the crate.

Remember that the disc is oozing material onto the spinal cord so it is possible that you might check him in the morning one day and the back end could be paralyzed. He is still in the process of healing and not healed. One day at a time.
Right you are - one day at a time. If he's totally paralyzed one morning, you need the vet to re-evaluate him ASAP; he may need surgery immediately. Always keep him crated if he's not out doing his business -- always!! And when he goes out, carry him like a football so his spine is straight; be sure he's on a short leash, and only let him walk far enough to find his spot to go. Then pick him up right away and carry him back into his crate.

alfina
12-22-2010, 09:44 PM
Lisa, from what my vet told me the laser is done right away and assists healing. It is not like physical therapy that is done after it heals.

areese
12-22-2010, 11:23 PM
Yes I am a member and I asked and will let you know what they say :) I know it's been asked but it's too tedious to search through the threads cuz it's not cool like on here with our lovely search feature :)


If you are already a member that would be great if you can ask about the laser or acupuncture, when we should start it. Obviously I don't want him out of the crate and in a car for 1 + hours.

I can't really explain it. Maybe it is me, he seems to do better for Rafi then for me. I might be holding the sling wrong. I wouldn't say he is in pain. I think the gap between 5:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. with the Tramodol is too long, so I will be happy when I am off work starting Friday and can break up his pain meds a little better.

He just seems more wobbly today. He can still stand and passes the toe test, but I don't know. The vet has authorized Tramadol for the full 8 weeks. Just we are supposed to go to Pred 1 x per day tomorrow, which has me a little worried. I spoke to the vet today, and he told me if he seems to worsen, go back to the 2 x per day over the holiday's and we will re-evaluate on Tuesday.

Sigh!

RustysMom
12-23-2010, 10:27 AM
many :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: for Pixel. Im sorry I dont have the answers. :hug99::hug99::hug99:

Alex's Mom
12-23-2010, 10:35 AM
It was so long ago that Maxe went through all this (20 years or so) that I honestly don't remember, except that she was REALLY not happy about the crate. If I get a chance, I'll ask Laura about the acupuncture and chiro. She'll know (I suspect she knows everything :)).

I'm guessing that your boy is picking up on your stress, and maybe Rafi is able to detach a bit more when he's helping him? After all those years with Alex, and now these guys and their various issues, I learned to do that...easy enough when you're actually in the midst of the crisis (I'm a crisis manager by nature and training) but hard as hell when doing the nursing care. You're watching them and every breath they take, and worrying that you're doing everything all wrong, and if you are is it making things worse, and then you kind of hate yourself...a lot!! Often with Alex, esp at the end of her life when things were so bad, the only way I could detach was keeping the thought that without me at least trying it would be SO MUCH WORSE, then gritting my teeth and doing the best I could. The vet will let you know if it isn't working. As for the pred, if you need to increase it, increase it, since your vet said ok. It's a scary drug, but so useful and effective. It'll be ok.

Love you guys!!! This too shall pass, and all will be well again. :bighug: and a ton more :bigrayz::bigrayz::bigrayz: for all of you.

areese
12-23-2010, 10:43 AM
Yes I am a member and I asked and will let you know what they say :) I know it's been asked but it's too tedious to search through the threads cuz it's not cool like on here with our lovely search feature :)

Ok, they said you can do accupuncture right away, just be careful with transporting him, use the crate and you can pad it with towels or blankets so he doesn't get shaken around a lot.

Lisa
12-23-2010, 10:51 AM
Thanks guys!!! Pixel was having a good morning, I gave him 1/2 Pred (I just couldn't cut it out totally this morning). So we will see how he is when I get home. :pray:

I am going to look into the laser or acupuncture today and see if we can get him in December 28th. :crossfin:

areese
12-23-2010, 07:33 PM
My sister who is 4 months from being a vet and IS a certified animal accupuncturist, also says you can start right away if that's the route you want to go :)

Lisa
12-23-2010, 08:08 PM
:thankyou: Amy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bighug:

Tex
12-23-2010, 08:58 PM
I just want to say :ditto: to the advice already given. We didn't have to deal with crate rest before surgery for very long with Jax, but we didn't see much difference in him from day to day, which can be very frustrating. Hang in there and do what the vet says and all will be well in the end. :bighug: